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What do they use for "organic" where you are? "Bio"?
@evan @tony It’s interesting how different languages/countries have adopted existing words (creating a new meaning for them) to refer to organic produce.
“Organic” in English, “Biological” (for instance where I’m from, France), “Ecological” (for instance where I live, Denmark). It would be interesting to see others!
They all work, but there’s a dilution of the original meaning. Something could be “ecological” but not “ecological”, “biological” but not “biological”, “organic” but not “organic”.
@levampyre @nclm @tony here's what Simple English Wiktionary says:
"Groceries are food and other household supplies that you buy in a store."
@evan So the food I grow in my garden "organically" reduces the amount of organic food I have to buy in the store. The more I grow myself the less I need to buy. So my percentage of organic groceries goes down, even though I consume almost 100%, or let it be 90% of "organic" food. What about cleaning products, when they are not carbo-hydrates and not "grown" anywhere? Would you still consider them "organic", when they can be decomposed by bacteria w/o detriment to wildlife?
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@levampyre I'm not sure what you're looking for from me.
It's a 4-level poll, with pretty broad ranges at each level. I don't think it requires this level of analysis.
@evan Oh, I was trying to determine the percentage of organic groceries I buy by getting a better understanding of the definition of "organic groceries". But you seem to care less about accuracy than I do. So I should probably stop bothering.
@levampyre yeah, I'm sorry to dampen your enthusiasm!
Let's say this: for a more precise calculation, groceries only count as things you buy.
They're only "organic", "biological" or "ecological" if they are labelled as such.
And let's say the percentage is by price, not volume or count or weight. So if you buy one Bio apple that's 8€ and 2 bags of conventionally-grown kidney beans at 1€ apiece, that's 80% of your groceries that are organic.
Do those parameters help?
@evan Ah, yes, that helps. And if it is strictly by "bio" label the percentage goes down even further for us. Because lots of cheese and meat we buy directly from small regional farmers do not have a "bio" label. Also many cleaning products we buy are not labeled "bio". Although they are not harmful to our plant + microbes based sewage treatment facility (i.e. "environment friendly"). 1/
@evan So I'd say, about 60% of the groceries we buy have a "bio" label. Although the amount of organic food we eat and environmentally friendly cleaning products we use is about 90%. We're even experimenting with making our own soap and stuff. My biggest pain is the amount of plastic wraps and bottles from the stuff we buy. It's still very high, despite the "bio" label and I'd really like to further reduce this by buying directly from farmers and/or growing/making stuff myself. 2/2