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@evan Yes, but... we have to be vigilant about expressing our own impatience, keeping it respectful when the facts fail to convince.

@evan I just think contempt and anger (and I feel them too) seldom carry the argument, even if these are justified by some low-info's lack of acknowledgement of demonstrable fact. We need to be patient as we aim for some agreement with "them" on what the world is and what the rules might be around changing one's opinion, as in, what might possibly invalidate dearly held nonsense? This, where the pigheadedness digs in, is where my temper flares! But it just never helps to express it.